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I think we were all wondering how devout Scientologist Issac Hayes reacted to South Park's brilliant and frankly daring skewering of Scientology. Now we know. He's quit the show.

"There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry toward religious beliefs ... begins," Hayes said in a statement.

(by the way, I didn't realize Lisa Marie Presley was a Scientologist. Now I have a reason to hate her beyond the fact that she pressured Nick Cage into selling his comic book collection. If I owned a copy of Action Comics #1, not even a woman could get me to sell that. And seriously, what kind of woman would want that?! Clearly, a Scientologist)

I like Matt Stone's response on CNN.com: "In ten years and over 150 episodes of 'South Park,' Isaac never had a problem with the show making fun of Christians, Muslim, Mormons or Jews," Stone said in a statement issued by the Comedy Central network. He got a sudden case of religious sensitivity when it was his religion featured on the show."

It's not so much that I think Scientologists are all nuts as much as that I wonder why they are all such a defenseless, humorless bunch? But while we're on the subject of them all being nuts, I remember watching the now-infamous South Park episode, telling the origins and beliefs of Scientology with a flashing banner of "THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE", and I remember thinking, "Well, on one hand, is this any dumber than what Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, etc believe? Is it any more silly than, say, believing in a man walking on water? On the other hand, YES!"
From: [identity profile] interdisciple.livejournal.com
Agreed: I've never met a scientologist who's not retarded. Then again, I've never met a scientologist. I think only celebs are scientologists. Would be interesting to run faith-to-%celebrity crosstabs...

...and on the other hand, Beck seems (well, out there, yes, but) a fairly smart and level-headed dude.

Chef (Isaac Shmizaac--he'll always be Chef to me) needs to pull the anal probe out his ass and grow some chocolate salty balls and get back to being Satire-Cool (the New Religion of the Liberal Elite--a religious state far cooler than some pseudostate of Scientology Salvation, if Scientologists even Have a concept of Salvation, or Morality, or anything else.) Point: Nobody cares about Scientology OR Tom Cruise, OR Isaac Shmizaac. Scientology better have some notion of an afterlife because Isaac = Chef = Dead to Me. His uptight corpse should consider asking Stephen Colbert what REAL BALLS look like. (They're striped red, white, and blue, and they don't believe in aliens and pyramid schemes.)

Date: 2006-03-14 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tazira.livejournal.com
Oh, Jesus, I'm laughing my ass off over here. I love the title alone.

Date: 2006-03-14 02:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishymcb.livejournal.com
Yeah, I heard about this, and I'm already salivating over the prospect of a very special episode of South Park dealing with the loss of Chef. Maybe Xenu will come down in a space ship and beam him home. Or maybe they'll keep Chef as a character but bring in someone new to provide his voice, like Gilbert Gottfried, and pretend that nothing has changed. I can't decide which would be more awesome. I'm thinking the latter, though.

Date: 2006-03-14 03:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interdisciple.livejournal.com
I second the latter.

Date: 2006-03-14 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thehefner.livejournal.com
It was too perfect not to use. I'm just amazed that I haven't seen anyone else using it!
From: [identity profile] jellied.livejournal.com
I maintain my crush on Beck that I've harbored from my middle school days.
With or without the Scientology.
From: [identity profile] pokeyburro.livejournal.com
I've never met a scientologist who's not retarded. Then again, I've never met a scientologist.

If I had a book of logic quotables, this would've headed one of the chapters.

Date: 2006-03-14 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kimberlyknits.livejournal.com
But while we're on the subject of them all being nuts, I remember watching the now-infamous South Park episode, telling the origins and beliefs of Scientology with a flashing banner of "THIS IS WHAT SCIENTOLOGISTS ACTUALLY BELIEVE", and I remember thinking, "Well, on one hand, is this any dumber than what Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, etc believe? Is it any more silly than, say, believing in a man walking on water? On the other hand, YES!"


Bingo.

/Catholic

Fun with Non Sequiturs

Date: 2006-03-14 06:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interdisciple.livejournal.com
I'm honored... I think. :) Or is it that "I think, therefore, I'm honored?"

Date: 2006-03-14 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tazira.livejournal.com
"There is a place in this world for satire, but there is a time when satire ends and intolerance and bigotry toward religious beliefs ... begins," Hayes said in a statement.

What I love is the fact that "intolerance and bigotry toward religious beliefs" only begins with MY religion. MY religion is the one true religion. It's perfectly okay to make fun of anything else.

Date: 2006-03-14 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] thehefner.livejournal.com
Also, read the last line of the article, where he states that the programs of bringing scientology to inner city youths in not religious in nature, but important.

Is the utter humorlessness of scientologists due to the fact that the converts into a religion tend to be some of the most fanatical, and scientology is made up of almost nothing BUT converts? I mean, how many people are born into scientology families? I'm actually serious.

I just don't know why the hell they can't take a joke. If they could, people wouldn't give them so much shit in the first place. Instead, they all come off as looking fucking nuts.

Re: Fun with Non Sequiturs

Date: 2006-03-14 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pokeyburro.livejournal.com
Thing is, the following is also true:

I've never met a scientologist who's retarded. Then again, I've never met a scientologist.

In both cases, the first sentence is vacuously true. It's like saying:

All of the female members of Monty Python are stupid.

Re: Fun with Non Sequiturs

Date: 2006-03-14 10:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pokeyburro.livejournal.com
Er. Main female members, that is.

/technical

Re: Fun with Non Sequiturs

Date: 2006-03-14 10:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interdisciple.livejournal.com
Yep, good analogy. I didn't actually know the term "vacuously true," but knew that what I was saying was indeed true but in a most vacuous way. :) I'm actually pretty good at symbolic logic, or was back in undergrad when it was fresh on my mind.

RR

Which is to say...

Date: 2006-03-14 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] interdisciple.livejournal.com
... I know that technically, it wasn't a non sequitur. But, "I think, therefore, I'm honored" seems to qualify for that one... though I'd have to say it'd be hard to prove truth or falsehood of conclusion as resulting from the premises either way, though it was crystal-clear true in the 1st case, albeit in a vacuous way... Sorry, done now...

Beg for Barry

Date: 2006-03-14 10:57 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
At first they were going to use Barry White. Now THAT would be funny!

Chef need to get himself a funny bone.

Date: 2006-03-15 01:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] the-mithril-man.livejournal.com
After talking to two of them when I was in college and trying to get through the literature, I was struck by an odd parallel. It reminded me of the boardroom scene from "Dogma". Always struck me as a bunch of people getting together and creating a religion just so they could justify and forgive their own behavior. Just my take on it.

Re: Beg for Barry

Date: 2006-03-15 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fishymcb.livejournal.com
It would also be remarkable, as he has since passed away. It's a shame, really.

Date: 2006-03-16 05:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] spacechild.livejournal.com
they are nuts. and i have friends who are scientologists.. but the deeper, hidden beliefs are freaking insane and alot of the lower level sci's dont know the truth.

i have 2 friends who were raised in it and escaped.. one of these days get me to tell the story.. its all jacked up.

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